Oh, Circe

[Dr. Tinsley]

I'm actually going to post here, although I really don't wantn to. But- as most o f you know I have my stance on Circe which I will admit has changed.

My reasoning for not liking Circe. In the beginning of the series when she was first introduced she was flaky, wishy washy and in my opinion just a shell of a character that the creators didn't seem to put much work into compared to some of the other lesser characters. My dislike of her wasn't helped by the fact that she knocked Rex out cold in "Leader of the Pack" when he was trying to help her- however she did seem to be firmly planted on the bad guys side.

My dislike for her grew when she begged Rex to help bring Van Kleiss back from the dead--This is my dislike for the character but to my surprise over those past few incidents the creators had built more into her character. You could clearly see that she was a troubled teenager and was desperately searching and clinging to what ever she deemed as family. So I was actually seeing the character grow and develop which is a plus for me.

Okay breif pause and rewind: The dislike I have for her was not because she is/was the main love interest for Rex. That is not a sound reason to dislike a character. I didn't like her in the beginning for the reasons stated above, however that changed as her character was better developed. Then the dislike for her came FROM the character development where she was manipulative towards Rex- this set her grounds as a decent villian (who is supposed to be disliked).

THEN we get to the episode where No face makes his appearance again- the title escapes me at the moment. Circe has had some MAJOR character upgrades in this one, not to mention that we get a little tiny peak into her background and her relationship with Van Kleiss. Not only as she lost the flaky, wishy washy disposition but she's also learned to kick her fair share of butt. As much as I hate to admit it this episode was the turning point for me. All of the reasons I did not like her character upon introduction was taken care of. Even the dislike I had for her as a villian went poof when she left the pack.

There are still things that she did that I don't like, but that goes for all characters. I think MOA handled this character very well in the growth and development we got to see in the limited amount of screen time she has had. I remain optimistic that she will prove to be a pretty important character and possible ali. I can't say that I love her character but I do not hate her character anymore. Until I see more of her I'm going to remain neutral.

I do find it hard to understand the not liking a character for the sake of not liking them. *shrugs* but that is just me.

[hoa]

I'm not sure why you didn't want to post ^^;;

Really, thank you, because for a very long time I've had mixed feelings about people being less annoyed about Circe and the only reasons I could find has something to do with her being more sure of herself or Rex no longer being her only option. Being more sure of herself is to be expected because this is part of her character development, I think

I really emphasize character development. It's one of the things I look forward to. So I could never understand the constant bashings she gets when she's not given the chance to develop.

I guess it's just me. I just can't dislike a character. I don't even dislike Van Kleiss. Just curious about his history, just like any other character.

But you know. I'm not a writer. What do I know about character development? Lol.

[crazyraven]

oh yeah like my sis said i don't hate on people for liking circe i just wanna know how you like her.
cos what the good doc tinsley said is pretty much why i hate her

[hoa]

You know... I don't remember anyone saying about not liking those who like Circe. XD. I admit I might dislike those who hate her, but it all depends on the attitudes. Doc's post was well thought-out, and lacks the vehemency of most of the comments I have seen. If you and your sis were more clear instead of saying all the stuff you have said, I think i could have been more patient. XD

But hey, it's my fault for not being able to take it ^^;; . After all, I did blow up. I shouldn't have done that and I'm really sorry about that.

Anyway, I'm not quite sure why I like her so much. She reminds me of a character from a manga I like, and that character similarly gets a lot of hate. The fanbase for that manga has grown up since then, though, and I have found that more people seem to like her now.

I won't deny that part of the reason why I like Circe is due to her being a love interest. As the first love interest, it's hard to know where things will go, and I'm excited about it.

I think I tend to look at characters from a story standpoint, rather than personality or what they have done. I like to look forward, rather than scrutinize over what a character has done that puts them in a bad light (like knocking out Rex).

I don't know if character development is looking at the personality. In fact I still have a vague definition about what character development actually is...

Hmm I don't think I'm answering the question xD. It's hard to say. I don't like Circe the way I like Rex (whom I treat as a baby xD).

Is it accurate to say that I like her because of the hate she receives? XD I would still like her regardless, though, because she's interesting to me. Maybe the hate she gets has caused me really think about who she is, and think back on what she's like when she's not with the pack.

I have a lot of thoughts regarding her. Not as defense, but more like an analysis of who she is based on what little we have seen. It's actually quite amazing that we have seen quite a bit despite currently being in five episodes. This means that she's actually well-written.

By the way, this is sort of an "uh, duuh" realization, but it seems like there is a difference between liking the character and liking the person. For example, I can't like Van Kleiss because he scares me, but he is by no means a bad character. I'm trying to apply that logic with the Circe hate, to make it easier to bear... XD

[purplecyanide]

In all honesty I am pretty interested to see more of Circe just because not much has been said about her and she doesn't get much screen time.
If she gets more screen time it'd be nice.
But too tell you the truth now that she's a good guy I doubt she will, unless Rex decides to take a trip to Hong Kong again.

[crazyraven]

i wish she wasn't so mopey, then she can have more screen time

[Little]

Aug 27, 2011 22:49:42 GMT -5 @hoa said:

I'm not sure why you didn't want to post ^^;;

Lol she's got a busted hand and it took her two and a half hours to type that. ^_^;;;; that's why she didn't want to post.

[crazyraven]

Aug 29, 2011 16:29:35 GMT -5 Little said:

Aug 27, 2011 22:49:42 GMT -5 @hoa said:

I'm not sure why you didn't want to post ^^;;

Lol she's got a busted hand and it took her two and a half hours to type that. ^_^;;;; that's why she didn't want to post.

OMG, silly girl you should have just left it!

[hoa]

Can you explain why you think she was mopey? I don't think she was any more mopey than Rex was...

She's not so mopey anymore, though. I think want she wanted most are friends like the Rabbles. With the Rabbles, she pretty much behaves the same way as she did when she and Rex were having fun on Cabo Luna. It's a little complicated as to why she stuck with the Pack for so long, and i think it had something to do with the feeling of isolation. She wanted to be normal, and being with other EVOs helped, even though the Pack is less than ideal.

A lot of EVOs were in hiding, like the Rabbles, so I don't really blame her for not seeking out. I think she was as scared as anyone else. And the world is a huge place.

Another thing I think she wanted was freedom. As we know from Rex, Providence doesn't really provide that, though, yes, he is out more often xD. I don't think she can just come and go...

So Hong Kong really is the best place for her, and she's very thankful for that.

In a sense, she is just like Rex. Rex got the shorter end of the deal because of special circumstances (connection to Abysus and such, not to mention his special nanites, etc)

[hoa]

Also, whoops, I'm really sorry that Doc had to endure typing that. ;-; You should have waited D8 Though I really do thank you very much ;w; ...

One thing I forgot to mention: If Circe wanted freedom, couldn't she just run away from the Pack?

My thought is, I don't think it's that easy. Not to mention, she was facing death when she went to do her job at Cabo Luna. Either join or die, and she didn't want to die, I'm sure.

But once in the Pack, I don't think it would be easy to run away alive. I've started to liken the Pack as something like an organized crime group, like the Mafia. You can get out, just not alive, and this is the case with the Rabbles and Quarry. They needed Rex to be free, so the same goes to Circe, though she didn't want to run away until Alliance (which kept Rex from trying to free her, lol. She's stupidly stubborn, I admit.)

[Little]

Hoa-

I like the idea of the Pack as similiar to the Mafia. Me and Doc have long thought that Van Kleiss and his followers were very similiar to Charles Manson and his 'family'. That the pack are more brain washed than anything. However, that being said- In the episode where Rex sees Circe in Hong Kong we hear Breach refer to Van Kleiss as her employer rather than Master. Not only do I think that Breach is a closet genuis, but also that they (the pack) aren't as brain washed as I might have thought. The Mafia metaphor is starting to sound alot more reasonable.

[hoa]

The idea came across my mind while playing a text game. This guy who keeps following the main character eventually fessed up to being a spy for a crime ring, and that the ring has been on to the main character for some time.

He said that he will be proud to warn the ring that the main character is on to them... but what he didn't realize that this would mean that he has blown his cover. So what will the ring do then? He'll be useless, and will be a target.

This is why I realized, you can't get out of the Pack, even if running away has crossed your mind.

This is also why I think Breach can be very sweet without the Pack (or VK really) breathing down her neck. After all, she got bat-chizz scared as she was forced to tell Quarry why VK wanted him.

Biowulf and Skalamander, though... those two are hard to figure out. I think someone said that those two might have been VK's followers in the nanite labs.

[Little]

Lol I have about decided they were his pets. Probably not, but still fun to think about.

[crazyraven]

Aug 30, 2011 11:06:14 GMT -5 @hoa said:

Can you explain why you think she was mopey?

i just think she always has this depressed feeling about her, like she isn't enjoying herself as much as she should be.

plus when she was with the pack she was always a bit held back and also depressed like, and she kinda didn't care what rex thought or take it into consideration until she decided to leave the pack.

her character also has no.... umph, i guess ^^; she has no energy might be a better description for it. i have to admit she feels like she is coming to life a bit more with the rabble but still she is lacking that little extra thing that i think makes the character special, like rex has his humour, holiday has her brains and six is the ninja.
they all have very special things and when it comes to circe i can't think of anything other than she irritates me cos she never makes a clear decision, is always depressed and again has no energy.

i do think in more recent episodes, like hard target, that she is getting more towards being more standable; but she still has a little way to go.

i hope that explains enough ^^;;

[hoa]

I guess that makes sense. I feel that her true character is hidden, though. She was probably shy or something, and in front of VK puts up a strong front (she said she's not scared of him.) It's only now that she's coming out of her shell, which we briefly saw in Cabo Luna before she was called away to do her job.

She was indecisive, and needed help. I'm not sure why that's irritating, though. Well, maybe I do know why (I have issues making decisions too ^^;...)

Maybe people need to look a little deeper. I myself am not sure about what her "special trait" is, but I don't really look for these. I must suck, eh? Each character is pretty distinctive to me, whether I am aware of these special traits or not.

I never really got the depressing feeling from her, though. Not sure. I can understand where that might come from, though. Maybe I'm just not that observant...

Hmm, I'm getting less confident.