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Post by cybra on Oct 19, 2011 11:29:53 GMT -5
\o/ The scary thing is that this simply refines what I worked out for my fic "Stray". At least I wasn't totally off-base.
I'm looking forward to Six having to find out One is dead.
I can honestly see a scenario where he's been trying to contact One for weeks. With six years of memories gone, he needs his mentor's guidance now more than ever, yet he's being met with silence. He might even think that One broke ties with him over his decision to join Providence. Such a rejection would've been devastating.
Finding out One can't answer because he's dead would be like having the bottom falling out of his world. Remember: six years ago One was most likely healthy and whole. Six's memories would tell him that One would always be there with a word of advice or even just to throw him around until he mastered a new technique. It may not have been long before the regression point when he last saw his mentor.
The Six we know best had five years to work through the five stages of grief, ending with acceptance of what happened that moment on the beach. One telling him he was proud of him must've been a relief as well.
Regressed Six knows nothing about it all, least of all One's pride in him. I highly doubt Holiday knew about One. Finding One dead means that some might expect him to move on ASAP when the wound is raw and fresh. I'm no psychologist, but I imagine it will do nothing good for him.
On top of all that, Six is trying to be who they lost: friend, mentor, second-in-command, etc. He's trying to fill the role of a man who's more assured and matured than he is and everybody's watching. Talk about stress!
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Post by macgaulyver on Oct 19, 2011 12:00:10 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to Six having to find out One is dead. Same here :-) This is why I'm hoping that Rex still has some of One imprinted on his nanites from when he channeled him. That way, Six, through Rex, might be able to access that memory, have the oh so important knowledge that One IS proud of him, and Six has some good closure to help him move forward and mature into the man they all knew :-) |
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Post by cybra on Oct 19, 2011 12:16:50 GMT -5
Here's a thought: What if he found out while Rex was missing? He wouldn't have ready access to what Rex knew. I'm willing to bet the pair kept it to themselves, so it's unlikely Holiday or even Knight would know how to help.
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Post by Aenrhien on Oct 19, 2011 12:36:41 GMT -5
Six finding out that One is dead now, when he's still trying to come to terms with the fact he lost his memories, has potential to be extremely bad. Especially if he finds out from someone like Five or Dos, who will just drop it on him and expect - even demand - that he just get over it like it seems like they did. Finding out from Rex would be ideal; he probably still has some of One imprinted on his Nanites, he'd be able to tell him how proud he was of Six and between Rex and Holiday, he would have people to help him through it.
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Post by Solora Goldsun on Oct 19, 2011 13:53:57 GMT -5
I wonder... This probably didn't happen, but I'm just throwing it out there: What if Six got his memories back during those six months and the reason he and Holiday are gone is because they're looking for Rex?
I'm just throwing that out there.
My one friend thinks Six and Holi could have gotten together officially by this point, maybe engaged, and I said "NO! If they get together, it's gonna be ON SCREEN DARNIT!!!"
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Post by Lina Trinch on Oct 19, 2011 15:03:11 GMT -5
I wonder... This probably didn't happen, but I'm just throwing it out there: What if Six got his memories back during those six months and the reason he and Holiday are gone is because they're looking for Rex? I'm just throwing that out there. My one friend thinks Six and Holi could have gotten together officially by this point, maybe engaged, and I said "NO! If they get together, it's gonna be ON SCREEN DARNIT!!!" I don't think Six would've gotten his memory back offscreen if they made a whole episode of him loosing it in the first place. As far as Holix is concerned, likely MoA made nothing happen between them, but after six months time and the way Six was in heat everywhere.... I wouldn't be TOTALLY surprised if... Holiday was suddenly five to six months pregnant. ALSO, I doubt they would've left Providence if their concern was for Rex. Providence has all his nanite info and all the things they need to track him. If they left WILLINGLY, it was because of Black Knight taking over and they intended to try to get to Rex before Providence did, which was a hopeless endeavor, which I'm sure they knew. Either way, I doubt the gang is still with Providence, especially since they gave away Rex's room and BK kept skirting around the subject. I'm PRETTY sure they're vigilantes now. STALKERS OF BREAKEVEN, PSH. |
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Post by Little on Oct 19, 2011 15:13:22 GMT -5
As far as Holix is concerned, likely MoA made nothing happen between them, but after six months time and the way Six was in heat everywhere.... I wouldn't be TOTALLY surprised if... Holiday was suddenly five to six months pregnant. ^_^ no surprise that I thought this very thing, huh? Six was ...as you put it...in heat everywhere. I'm using this from now on. ^_^ I like this phrase. |
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Post by crazyraven on Oct 19, 2011 16:31:59 GMT -5
people need to stop writing so much i just can't read that fast!!!!
personally i don't mind six losing his memories although i'd prefer him to have them.
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Post by macgaulyver on Oct 20, 2011 4:10:26 GMT -5
....and the way Six was in heat everywhere.... I wouldn't be TOTALLY surprised if... Holiday was suddenly five to six months pregnant. ROFL! Six in heat! *slaps self* My fangirly brain totally entertained this notion of a suddenly prego Holiday:-) ....You know that's not going down - not yet, anyway:-) |
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Post by cybra on Oct 20, 2011 7:53:56 GMT -5
Judging by her reaction to Six when he first started hitting on her, I'd say that it's highly unlikely that the pair would've gotten together during the time skip.
To make it easier to follow along, I'm going to refer to regressed!Six as simply "Six" while the Six we know is "Agent Six".
Remember that Holiday slapped Six's hand away after those first pickup lines. That and her outright look of horror in response to that predatory grin. (See Mac's signature.) This isn't the man she fell in love with. They share a face and sunglasses, but it's not Agent Six who's the one who won her heart. Yes, he's more overt in his interest (assuming, of course, my friend and I aren't right and that it isn't an act to push people away), but Agent Six is a steady man who's always been there for her. Six looks like he intends to just play with her and leave her when he gets bored. After all, Knight said that Six's moral compass was in the red zone.
I think that during the time skip, the pair might've had a falling out, going their separate ways to try and find Rex. After all, Rex was what had been the original binding agent between Agent Six and Holiday. Plus Rex had been the one to convince Six to give up his mercenary life a second time in order to try and get Agent Six back.
What I fear is a backslide on Six's part. In "Lions and Lambs", he seems to be adjusting to this new life, but how much of that was due to leaning on Rex, Holiday, and Knight? With one leg of his support structure gone, what will happen?
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Post by Aenrhien on Oct 20, 2011 16:33:38 GMT -5
I actually think Cybra has a decent point. This new Six is not the one she fell in love with, regardless of the fact this is probably a part of himself that's been there all along, and she didn't seem to be impressed with it at all until he decided he was willing to risk his life to be that man again. While I doubt they'd call it quits completely, I don't see them getting together (engaged/Holiday knocked up/etc) in the six months Rex was "gone".
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Post by Lina Trinch on Oct 20, 2011 16:35:12 GMT -5
... I disagree with both of you. XD @cy- I don't think Holiday was completely turned away by the way Six was acting. She was... quite shocked and, yes, you are right. The man he is now is NOT the same man she fell in love with. But, I don't think he has any motive to use her and go to something else. Like Ler said, he immediately reacted when he seen her, cause, HEY, SEXY SKIRT, but (Like in Proms) he stuck around. Somewhere along that line, he found out that whatever he felt for her was more than just lust, given his line at the end of the episode and a very unnoticed part that is dear to my heart. After they do those tests for the first time, Holiday tells him basically that she liked the OTHER Six better and he is just completely put off and goes as far as to leave base and go back to merc work... just because she wouldn't respond to his interest. That's way more than 'nice cans'. HOWEVER: Ler- No, we aren't celebrating. Yes, Holiday has been wanting Six to notice how attractive she is, but that's the OTHER Six. This Six, in the beginning, seem to only care about how attractive she was and that was it. THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO THIS COUPLE THAN SEX and Holiday wants that back. If he gave her a sly grin every now and then, it would've been nice for her, but she's far more interested in the man that would put everything aside in order to do the thing he knew to be right and will fight the world in order to do that. This man is NOT that man. He is so horribly NOT that man. Yet, she still cares for him, because there's little things that he does to suggest that the other Six is still in there somewhere. LINA'S CONCLUSION:There's a very tiny, fine line here. Six does care for her deeply still, but he's not entirely sure why and is just blaming it on the fact that she's hot. However, he realizes that there's something there and he wants to remember what that something is and why they aren't together. Holiday still cares for him, but she cared for the Agent Six persona much more. This one doesn't remember why he changed to be that better man and that's holding him back from BECOMING that better man. While this Six will jump at the chance to go on a date with her, I doubt he'll be just as willing to die for someone he never met just so Holiday would smile more often. Also, Ler, one more thing. You were a little sarcastic and rude in there. As a psuedo-mod, I have to call you out on that. Please be more respectful to all other members of this forum. |
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Post by Ler on Oct 20, 2011 16:58:31 GMT -5
Yes, I'm sorry, it was rude of me.
But there is a point in there that I wanted to convey, and it is EXACTLY that Holix is not just about how much physical attraction there is between them. Unconciously, they have an effect on each other even more than they think they do, and if you notice, within a single episode he undergoes SO MUCH more character development than he did during the whole series.
Which brings me to the other point: I think we should stop saying "this" Six and "that" Six. He is still one person, just on different stages of personal development. Yes, for him the development is non-linear, but that doesn't make him an evil twin or a clone.
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Post by Lina Trinch on Oct 20, 2011 17:11:21 GMT -5
We see it as the same Six on different personality levels, but he still believes that they were two separate people and he's trying to pull the last one back. That's why I say 'this' and 'that', because they're so different and because he realizes it. We all know that he's not an evil twin, but, like I said, he isn't the same man that we know. Metaphorically speaking. It's all metaphors.
Everyone loves metaphors. XD
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Post by Ler on Oct 20, 2011 17:20:57 GMT -5
Metaphors? Pfff, that's way above my IQ level. ))
It just feels like different things when he says it and when the whole fandom shouts it like he became the spawn of devil himself.
I love Six's character and I love Holix as a pairing because it's deep and emotionally honest, so it really hurts me to have them both underestimated like that.
Crawling back under my rock now.
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